Wayne and I associated frequently during the many years that we both worked at Mutual/Clarica/Sun. When I was considering a career change we lunched a few times and Wayne provided me with good information about a career in Estate Planning. I didn't make that change but always appreciated his openness, honesty and counsel. I also had a good working relationship with Leslie. They were among the 'good' people at Mutual and will remain part of my memories of working there.